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The World According To Dutch: TNA vs WWE...Who Really Won?

The World According To Dutch: TNA vs WWE...Who Really Won?

Posted: Jan 7th 2010 By: CMBurnham

Some people have written me and asked me to predict how TNA would fare against WWE on January 4th. Now, how in the *** * would I know how anybody would do in the ratings against each other. What do I look like, friggin Nostradamus? But since you asked, I might as well comment briefly.

Today is a serious column because January 4th was a serious day. No bullshit stories, no humorous tales. 1.04.10 shaped up to be a pivotal day in TNA history and could have repercussions farther down the line in how pro wrestling is produced and perceived by fans and mainstream media. A week leading into Monday night, internal sources within TNA were saying that the ratings were irrelevant and that was coming from a company that places ratings at the top of the Richter scale. When I first read that statement, I didn't know what to think. But when I finally got around to using Dutch 101 Wrestling Philosophy on it and dissected the statement, it does make sense.

But, with TNA doing a 1.5 and at one point, a 1.8, how irrelevant can those ratings be? Hogan proved his point and his name brand because numbers don't lie. Hogan posted the highest number on the show so he did what he was hired to do. Create interest. Now continuing that interest is where the art of the game comes in. But taking the show as a whole, my personal opinion is that TNA produced a quality show with the emphasis being on wrestling action and in ring interviews that had SUBSTANCE.

If you, just for one moment, think of how far TNA has come in their development, from a dilapidated fairgrounds arena in Nashville, Tennessee, 7 years ago, to going head to head with WWE and on Monday night no less, TNA's rise, while riddled with starts and stops, has been almost story book. From the little kid getting his ass kicked every week to growing up to a man and finally fighting the bully on a big stage is a great rags to riches story. I was glad I could be a part of it for 6 years. I helped them fight the good fight and now the fight is paying off.

TNA trotted out almost every dog and pony available in the arsenal of pro wrestling today and if you weren't careful, you found yourself back in the late 90's with the great NWO angle. And to be honest, that was when wrestling was at its finest hour. I actually thought it was great TV. But that tells us something about the state of wrestling today. Is that a indicator of how great wrestling was 10/12 years ago or is it an indicator of just how far wrestling has receded in the 2000s? Or could it indicate that the 'lost' WCW fan, on which TNA actually formed their company, is still there for the taking?

On Monday night, TNA stood toe to toe with the giant WWE machine and they slugged it out. If they can do that on a consistent basis and CREATE STARS at the same time, then there's a bigger fight looming down the line and with a bigger PAYDAY.

Secretly, I think Vinny Mac himself wants TNA to give him a run for his money because he hasn't really been stimulated since the downfall of WCW and he's spoiling for a fight because he's an Irishman and he likes it. Hulk has stated that he wants to fight and if TNA can slug it out long enough with Vinny Mac, then wrestling fans could be in for a long and enjoyable fight.

But wrestling fans had a fight like this 10 years ago with a bad ending, remember? WCW fought long and hard but in the end, they sold out at a bargain basement price and Vince had a monopoly over the wrestling business which is the one thing that should never happen in any business. So in order for TNA to stay in the game, they have to fight with strategy and with a long term purpose in mind. WWE knows how to fight but this is all new to TNA, as a company. TNA needs to give the fans what they've been yelling for...give them wrestling but more than that, give them wrestling with a PURPOSE which means more than just two guys going out there and doing beautiful moves. Believe me, as a guy who's been around this business for years, professional wrestling done right is a beautiful thing to see.

I didn't try to make a ratings prediction but the rating TNA received was more or less in line with what I thought they would do. Before I shut this down, I remember a giant in this business telling me years ago one of the most important things I ever learned in the wrestling business. When I say giant, I'm talking about a 6'11" 340 pound former All Pro football player turned wrestler, the Big Cat, Ernie Ladd right after he had made his first appearance in Atlanta, Georgia. I remember watching the Cat as he literally destroyed his opponent on his first night in. Ernie gave him nothing. When Ernie came back from the ring and entered the dressing room, I sat there like a bright eyed kid marveling at the fact that I was sitting in the same dressing room as the great All Pro, Ernie Ladd. As he sat down next to me, he looked over and said, "boy, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression". He was so right.

In WWE's defense, I only checked back on them a couple of times but they did a great number too. So at least one thing was determined. Competition is good for everybody. From watching TNA, it was clear that the company has taken a completely new direction because the show was 20 times better than what it has been.

So who won? Did WWE win or did TNA win? Of course, that depends on who you're talking to. Ratings wise, WWE dominated as most experts thought they would. But strategically speaking, TNA got their highest rating ever and was seen by hundreds of thousands of people who, in most probabilty, had never seen TNA before.

Let's call it a draw and when an underdog gets a draw, its as good as a win.

Dutch..the new InterNet wrestling handicapper

 

Tags: Dutch Mantel, TNA, WWE, WCW, Ernie Ladd

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  • 1979 Mike George & Bob Sweetan became the MSW Mid-South Tag Team Champions
  • 1982 Mr. Olympia def. Killer Khan for the MSW Mississippi Title
  • 1984 The Long Riders (Scott Irwin & Bill Irwin) def. The Rock & Soul Connection (Buck Zumhofe & King Parsons) for the WCCW American Tag Team Titles
  • 1986 Buddy Roberts def. Terry Taylor for the UWF Television Title
  • 2008 Striker def. Al Farat for the MSWA Mid-South Heavyweight Title
  • 2013 The C. I. A. (Trevor Mapleleaf & J. B.) def. The Oakhurst Fire Mafia (Keebler & Diamond) for the SRPW Tag Team Titles
  • 2019 Brixton Barricade def. Chaz Sharpe for the ASP Inter-County Title
  • 2024 Daniel Aaron Michalles def. Pastor Brent for the WAH Hunger Dojo Title
  • 2024 Shotgun Webber def. Zac Royal for the TIW No Pressure Title

Week of Sun 09-27 to Sat: 10-03

  • 09-27 1977 Dr. X & Porkchop Cash def. The Medics (Medic #1 & Medic #2) for the TSW United States Tag Team Titles
  • 09-27 1982 The Rat Pack (Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne) def. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia for the MSW Mid-South Tag Team Titles
  • 09-27 1985 Brian Adias def. Gino Hernandez for the WCCW Texas Heavyweight Title
  • 09-27 1986 The Fantastics (Tommy Rogers & Bobby Fulton) def. Eddie Gilbert & Sting for the UWF Tag Team Titles
  • 09-27 2003 Brandon Groom became the SRPW Heavyweight Champion
  • 09-27 2003 Tarantula & X-Cal became the SRPW Tag Team Champions
  • 09-27 2003 Big Daddy Moore def. Dexter Hardaway for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 09-27 2008 Outlaw def. 3rd Rail for the SWCW Heavyweight Title
  • 09-27 2008 Rage Logan def. Sage for the SWCW Cruiserweight Title
  • 09-27 2008 Shank became the SWCW Luchadore Champion
  • 09-27 2008 Seth Allen def. Dustin Heritage for the IZW Impact Division Title
  • 09-27 2015 Lil Outlaw def. Little Nasty Boy for the EMWF Heavweight Title
  • 09-27 2015 King Midget def. Lil Outlaw for the EMWF Heavweight Title
  • 09-27 2019 Stephan Bonnar def. MVP for the WCR Imperial Title
  • 09-27 2025 Mitch Onyx def. Bishop Simon for the RWE Light Heavyweight Title
  • 09-27 2025 Triple Crown Tribe (Fuel & Koko) def. The Super Crash Brothers (Trench Blythe & Badger James) for the UWE Tag Team Titles
  • 09-27 2025 Birdman def. Anarchy [2nd] for the UWE Apex Title
  • 09-27 2025 Brandon Warhawk def. Faded Ghoul for the UWE Heavyweight Title
  • 09-27 2025 Sgt. Todd def. Floyd Maystorm for the WAH Hunger Dojo Title
  • 09-27 2025 L. C. Green def. Deacon Hendrix for the RWE Heavyweight Title
  • 09-27 2025 Will Chambers def. L. C. Green for the RWE Heavyweight Title
  • 09-28 1979 Mike George & Bob Sweetan became the MSW Mid-South Tag Team Champions
  • 09-28 1982 Mr. Olympia def. Killer Khan for the MSW Mississippi Title
  • 09-28 1984 The Long Riders (Scott Irwin & Bill Irwin) def. The Rock & Soul Connection (Buck Zumhofe & King Parsons) for the WCCW American Tag Team Titles
  • 09-28 1986 Buddy Roberts def. Terry Taylor for the UWF Television Title
  • 09-28 2008 Striker def. Al Farat for the MSWA Mid-South Heavyweight Title
  • 09-28 2013 The C. I. A. (Trevor Mapleleaf & J. B.) def. The Oakhurst Fire Mafia (Keebler & Diamond) for the SRPW Tag Team Titles
  • 09-28 2019 Brixton Barricade def. Chaz Sharpe for the ASP Inter-County Title
  • 09-28 2024 Daniel Aaron Michalles def. Pastor Brent for the WAH Hunger Dojo Title
  • 09-28 2024 Shotgun Webber def. Zac Royal for the TIW No Pressure Title
  • 09-29 2007 Luc Lapointe & Beau Dalton became the SWCW Tag Team Champions
  • 09-29 2007 Kareem Sadat def. Kevin James Sanchez for the SWCW Hardcore Title
  • 09-29 2007 Beau Dalton def. Luc Lapointe for the SWCW Sooner Xtreme Title
  • 09-29 2007 Kunna Keyoh def. Joe Herell for the UWF06 Violent Division Title
  • 09-30 1963 Bill Miller def. Louie Tillet for the WCCW Texas Brass Knuckles Title
  • 09-30 1965 The Daltons/The Fargos (Jim Dalton/Jim Fargo & Jack Dalton [1st]/Don Fargo) became the TSW United States Tag Team Champions
  • 09-30 1974 Blackjack Lanza def. Jose Lothario for the WCCW Texas Brass Knuckles Title
  • 09-30 1977 Ox Baker def. Captain USA for the WCCW American Heavyweight Title
  • 09-30 1981 Great Kabuki def. Bob Roop for the MSW Louisiana Title
  • 09-30 1983 The Super Destroyers (Super Destroyer I & Super Destroyer II) def. Roddy Piper & Bulldog Brower for the WCCW American Tag Team Titles
  • 09-30 2006 The House of Strange (AWOL & Overdose) def. The Family (Beau Dalton & Luc Lapointe) for the AACW Tag Team Titles
  • 09-30 2007 Outlaw became the MSWA Oklahoma Champion
  • 09-30 2017 Los Loco Moscas (Elijah Sparks & El Greengo Loco) def. Legion (Rob Cabella & Shawn Shields) for the BPPW Oklahoma Tag Team Titles
  • 09-30 2023 The Psychotic Messengers (Tank Bryson & Malachi) became the MajCW Tag Team Champions
  • 09-30 2023 Romeo Reese def. Punk Synister for the MajCW Flawless Title
  • 09-30 2023 Nibira def. Skidz for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 09-30 2023 Brandon Groom def. Nibira for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 09-30 2023 Oscar Amazing def. Brandon Groom for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 09-30 2023 Lunchador def. Oscar Amazing for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 09-30 2023 John J. Bishop def. Lunchador for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 09-30 2023 Lunchador def. John J. Bishop for the MajCW 24/7 On Call Title
  • 10-01 2002 Pimpology (Jeffrey Parker & Kool Ade) def. The Professionals (John Zorthos & Julian Wolfenbarger) for the ACW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-01 2002 Bitch the Clown def. HIMM for the ACW Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2002 The Cookie Man def. Bitch the Clown for the ACW Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2002 HIMM def. The Cookie Man for the ACW Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2004 Beau Dalton def. Bobby Dalton for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2011 Michael Barry def. Double D for the IZW Impact Division Title
  • 10-01 2011 Maniac Mike def. John E. Stone for the SWCW Heavyweight Title
  • 10-01 2011 Se7en def. Kareem Sadat for the SWCW Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2011 Kevin James Sanchez & Kareem Sadat became the SWCW Tag Team Champions
  • 10-01 2011 Drake Gallows & Bobby Star became the SWCW All-American Champion
  • 10-01 2012 Brian Lakewood def. Brandon Walker for the ComPro Heavyweight Title
  • 10-01 2016 Dean Lambert def. Kareem Sadat for the EmpCW Independent Hardcore Title
  • 10-01 2016 Running Wolf became the NAW Heavyweight Champion
  • 10-01 2016 Thunder, Inc. (Rolling Thunder & Tim Bean) def. The Midnight Riders (The Unknown & The Midnight Rider) for the NAW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-02 2004 Missa Sparkle def. Beau Dalton for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 10-02 2004 Beau Dalton def. Missa Sparkle for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 10-02 2004 Codie Mullins def. Beau Dalton for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 10-02 2004 Beau Dalton def. Codie Mullins for the SRPW Hardcore Title
  • 10-02 2009 Aerial Assault (Montego Seeka & Ky-ote Joe) became the MSWA Mid-South Tag Team Champions
  • 10-02 2010 Outlaw def. Tyson Jaymes for the SWCW Heavyweight Title
  • 10-02 2010 Bleach, Ink (Draven Cross & Korvin Sage) def. The Hardcore Connection (Shane Sanchez & Maniac Mike) for the SWCW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-02 2010 Rage Logan def. Damien Morte for the SWCW Cruiserweight Title
  • 10-02 2010 David Kyzer def. Kareem Sadat for the SWCW All-American Title
  • 10-02 2010 Kevin James Sanchez def. Kareem Sadat for the SWCW Hardcore Title
  • 10-02 2010 Jasper Davis def. Kevin Douglas for the NWA Texas Junior Heavyweight Title
  • 10-02 2010 La Reina de Corazones def. Tasha Simone for the NWA World Womens Title
  • 10-02 2011 Nemesis (Damien Morte & Damon Windsor) def. The New Age Syndicate (Scott Sanders & Shawn Sanders) for the MSWA Mid-South Tag Team Titles
  • 10-02 2016 The Urban Misfits (Drake Gallows & Dean Lambert) def. The Mid-South Express (Tyson Jaymes & Will Chambers) for the MSWA Mid-South Tag Team Titles
  • 10-02 2020 Jerome Daniel Griffey def. Niles Plonk for the TexPro Red River Title
  • 10-02 2021 Step Brothas (Jermaine Johnson & Tego) def. Niles Plonk & Flex Zerba (substituting for Dexter Hardaway) for the BCW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-03 1967 Brute Bernard & Mike Paidousis def. The Von Erichs (Fritz Von Erich & Waldo Von Erich) for the WCCW American Tag Team Titles
  • 10-03 2008 Spoiler 2000 became the NWA-OK Oklahoma Heavyweight Champion
  • 10-03 2009 Arrogant Money (Austin Tacious & Randy Price) def. BLK-OUT (Jermaine Johnson & Montego Seeka) for the IZW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-03 2020 Classy & Sassy (Niles Plonk & Dexter Hardaway) def. The Brotherhood of Holy Hell (Terry Pantera & Dean Lambert) for the BCW Tag Team Titles
  • 10-03 2020 Super Beast def. Cody Burns for the BCW Heavyweight Title
  • 10-03 2025 Lola the Adventurer def. Skylar Slice for the CPW Women’s Title
  • 10-03 2025 The Super Crash Brothers (Trench Blythe & Badger James) def. The Sweet Life (Colt Killbane & Jake Swayze) for the CPW Tag Team Titles
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